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Written by Hash   
Saturday, 29 November 2008 00:00

The 26 November terror attacks in Mumbai have provoked outrage and widespread "condemnation" from all quarters. Everybody's calling for the government to "do something", "enact stricter laws", and "send a message" to the terrorists.

What most fail to realize is that attacks like the one in Mumbai are entirely facilitated by the Indian government, through its long-standing policy of keeping civilians disarmed.

It is a testament to the government's propaganda power that the statement above will provoke indignation from most Indians, who tacitly accept the government party line that guns cause crime and terrorism. Most Indians would be inclined to ask for stronger gun control as a means to fight terrorism.

But this is precisely the opposite of what's really needed.

Gun Control Doesn't Prevent Crime

The simple fact is that gun control does not affect criminals in the least. It only affects law abiding citizens.

Criminals are already determined to act counter to the law, be it robbery they're planning, or a terrorist strike. It's ridiculous to suppose that they'll respect gun laws. They're criminals, after all. By definition they don't respect the law. And they'll always be able to obtain arms illegally, gun control or no gun control.

So all that gun laws achieve is to keep law abiding citizens disarmed.

Which is just great for armed criminals. They're assured that in all but the most unusual of cases, they will have no armed resistance. They need not worry themselves in the least about being shot by one of their intended victims. Gun laws assure them a totally unarmed victim pool.

Guns Save Lives

When law-abiding civilians have the freedom to own and bear arms, and to take responsibility for the protection of their own lives, a large section of the civilian population is potentially armed. This radically alters the scenario for armed criminals. When victims aren't defenseless sheeple, but potentially lethal adversaries, the returns and risks of armed violence are significantly altered.

In an armed society, armed criminals can be stopped by would-be victims as well as by armed bystanders. In countries where civilian gun ownership is a cherished freedom, such as Switzerland, armed criminals routinely meet their end at the hands of responsible, armed citizens, and innocent lives are saved.

Depending on a centralized defense machinery provided by the state is often suicide. As it was for the hundreds of hostages in the Mumbai terror strike. Centralized defense support is invariably too slow to mobilize, too far from the scene of the crime, and thus inevitably too late to prevent loss of human life. As was demonstrated yet again in the Mumbai attack.

Had even 20 or 30 of the law abiding citizens within the Taj Hotel in Mumbai been armed, it is not hard to see how they would have made short work of the 3-4 terrorists who attacked them. The fact that the terrorists had superior firearms would not have saved them. A bullet from a ladies' handgun would kill them as dead as one from an automatic assault rifle.

Had even 20 of the law abiding citizens within the Taj Hotel been armed, 195 people in Mumbai would not have lost their lives.

Gun Control in India

India's gun control laws are rooted in pre-independence British law, specifically The Indian Arms act of 1878. After the mutiny of 1857, to prevent further armed resistance to its authority, the British colonial power began a campaign of systematically disarming Indians and destroying local arms production capabilities.

Unfortunately, even when the Indian Arms Act of 1878 was repealed, in 1959, it was replaced with the Arms Act of 1959, which is premised on the same distrust of an armed citizenry.

Indeed, it is extremely difficult and time-consuming even for private security professionals in India to get a gun license. When P.R.S Oberoi, the Chairman and CEO of the Oberoi Group, was questioned by the media about why the Oberoi-Trident hotel's own security personnel were unable to respond to the terrorist threat, he pointed out that the hotel's security staff are not armed, because it is very difficult to get them the gun licenses.

With the civilian populace and security infrastructure defanged through gun control laws, it's no wonder that armed criminals and terrorists feel emboldened to commit murder and spread mayhem.

Amidst all the clamoring for new central security agencies, for more "stringent" anti-terror laws (as if shooting and blowing up people wasn't already illegal), for the "people to step forward", for "a broad anti-terror strategy", for "a strong stance", "determination", and other such vacuous suggestions, it is revealing that the single most effective mechanism for civilians to protect themselves - respecting their fundamental human rights to keep and bear arms - has not yet been suggested by any media person, security professional, analyst, or pundit.

Fight Terrorism by Fighting Gun Control

Terrorism is a fact of life for everyone today. It's extremely foolish and dangerous to entertain the illusion that centralized government agencies can move swiftly enough to protect you or your loved ones when armed terrorists threaten your life.

It's equally unrealistic to expect that anything governments do can eliminate or significantly alter the number of terror attacks that occur in the future. Terrorists have demonstrated time and again their adaptability, persistence, and ability to attack in new and unexpected ways.

Every human being has the right to protect his life, and given the reality of armed criminals, this translates directly into the right to keep and bear arms for self defense. The gun control laws of India are in violation of the fundamental human right of self-defense and self-preservation, and should be repealed forthwith.

The right to bear arms will give Indian citizens a fighting chance at life when faced with armed terrorists and criminals. It will seriously decrease the effectiveness of armed terrorist strikes such as the recent Mumbai attacks, as well as drastically cut armed violent crime.

Significantly, guns are a great equalizer for women. Given how prevalent sex crimes are in India, the repeal of gun control laws would also mean a much safer India for women.

Arm Yourself

If you realize that when you find yourself in an dangerous situation it really is up to you to protect yourself and your loved ones against violent crime and terrorism, there's nothing better you could do than arm yourself, with knowledge of the role of guns as the most effective means of self-defense, and if you can get the license, with a firearm.

It is also imperative to repeal India's draconian gun control laws, and organized action to achieve this is the best single step civil society can take to combat crime and terror.

For more information about Indian gun laws, including how to apply for a gun license, and further information about the value of an armed citizenry, have a look around Abhijeet Singh's website, especially the article about Gun Control in India and the Parable of the Sheep. Abhijeet has also created a forum for firearms, gun rights, and shooting sports in an Indian context.

There's lots more information about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (RKBA) all over the 'Net. Just google for "RKBA".

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Puneet Singh Lamba  - Thought-Provoking!     |2008-11-29 21:12:51
Ashish. Your comment is thought-provoking, i.e. reduce dependence on the state by allowing civilians
to arm and defend themselves against tyranny.

Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth and final Guru of the
Sikh religion, had the same recommendation for very similar reasons.

The following is an
enlightening overview of the pros and cons of gun
control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control

I have linked to your comment from my blog
at http://puneetlamba.blogspot.com.
Ayesha Grewal   |2008-12-01 03:19:00
Hi Hash;

I actually couldnt disagree with you more. I do not agree that putting more guns out
there - even if they are in the hand of our law abiding citezens - is the answer to things such as
this. I agree with you that the only ones who are adversely effected are those who follow the law.
I disagree with you in that if some of the hostages carried guns, that the death toll would have
been lower - I think it would have been a hell of a lot higher. Had the terrorists thought that
they might have to contend with gun toteing hostages, they would have probably shot everyone to
begin with.

Further, I think that terrorists are symptoms of a deeper rooted problem. I
understand that this issue is not something that can be fixed by a simple act, and doing something
like buying a gun might make one feel a little more secure than taking steps that might not have
seemingly immediately satisfying results.

Anyway - more on this later. But just wanted to
throw out an initial message that will, I am sure, open the door to a debate which i would love to
continue in person - when are you in Delhi next? I will have my hand gun in my little handbag ready
in case you dont see things my way...

Just kidding.

Hope to see you soon.

Love,

Ayesh
kshitij   |2008-12-02 03:45:25
Ayesh,

or probably u would slice through hash if he rubs u off the wrong way...Damn those kitchen
knives..ban 'em!! or mayb u'll run him over with ur car..ban them as well!
Hash   |2008-12-01 09:46:53
Hey Ayesh... will surely continue the discussion in person. Will just briefly address your take
though:

Ayesha Grewal wrote:
I disagree with you in that if some of the hostages carried guns, that the death toll would
have been lower - I think it would have been a hell of a lot higher. Had the terrorists
thought that they might have to contend with gun toteing hostages, they would have probably
shot everyone to begin with.


This doesn't take into account the reality that it takes quite some time to shoot hundreds of
people spread out all over a building as huge as the Taj Hotel. It's not like you just wave
your AK-47 and everyone's lying on the floor in a puddle of blood.

That affords plenty of
time to "gun-toting" citizens to take out the attackers.

Indeed, nothing stops
the attackers from shooting everybody in any case, and that's precisely what they seemed to be
doing in this attack. People survived only by hiding in their rooms.

If some of those
survivors were armed, they would have had much more of a fighting chance than they did,
considering there was a 10 hour delay in getting the State's commandos to the site, and in
those 10 hours, the attackers were the only armed people in the building!

In a society where a
significant portion of the civilian population is armed, attacks of the Mumbai variety would be
found too risky to attempt at all, in fact, given the risk to the attackers.

Also,
while it may be productive on some level to discuss the possible scenarios with or without
an armed civilian population, these scenarios have no relevance to the fact that self-defense
is critical to self-preservation, and is therefore one of the most basic of human rights, and
that denying this right through gun control is in itself criminal.
Hash   |2008-12-04 16:10:13
Here's an article with very interesting quotes from Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who
managed to shoot some of the Mumbai terrorists with his camera.

The most telling:

"I
told some policemen the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused to
follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them?
I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera."

http://tinyurl.com/55r7k7
Hash   |2008-12-01 15:05:23
Also, a relevant video (titled "India gun control enabled Mumbai massacre") here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP295xpH15A
Perry Logan  - As always, the gun guys get it wrong     |2009-01-18 07:27:01
India is one of the most heavily armed nations in the world, and is suffering an epidemic of gun
violence. Writer and activist Binalakshmi Nepram tells of her work tackling small arms
proliferation, and working with women survivors to rebuild lives.

I dedicate this article to the
more than 5000 women who have lost their lives or been wounded by gun violence in my home-state of
Manipur in Northeast India.

As the world knows, India is the birthplace of Mahatma Gandhi, the land
where non-violence was born. Last year the United Nations declared that his birthday, 2 October,
would become International Day of Non-Violence. The India that existed at the time of independence
championed peace and disarmament. However, sad to say, the India of today is very different. While
many know of India's economic rise, I know of an India that is weaponized and arming itself to the
teeth.

In February 2008, over 450 arms companies came to India's capital New Delhi to sell their
wares at an international arms bazaar. India, my country, is the second most heavily armed nation in
the world, and the majority of an estimated 40 million firearms are in civilian possession. There
are 900,000 arms-licensed holders in the state of Uttar Pradesh alone, while the number of arms
dealers is pegged at 1400. In the words of one gun dealer at the bazaar, "Gun shops are
mushrooming in the state of Uttar Pradesh like public telephone booths".

http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/5050/gun_control_india
Bill Purkayastha   |2009-04-07 10:56:04
Question: If guns are potentially, at the very least, dangerous instruments, capable of killing even
by accident in the long run, shouldn’t they be kept safely locked away from children and pets, and
unloaded to prevent them from accidentally discharging? But then aren’t they less likely to be of
any use deterring criminals? While the homeowner is unlocking and loading his gun, won’t the
criminal, whom you claim to have unfettered access to illegal weaponry, be using the said illegal
weapon? How do you prevent the guns themselves from becoming the criminal’s target? How do you, as
in the recent shooting case in Germany showed, prevent a relative or other person with legitimate
access to the gun-owner's house from obtaining one or more of the guns?

Question: Since it’s
undeniable that a certain number of public shooting incidents have happened in recent times using
guns that have been perfectly legally acquired, and these have led to the deaths of a large number
of people, at least some of whom were innocent of all capital crimes, should there be a policy on
public carrying of firearms? What should this policy be? If firearms can be bought and kept at home
or in the place of business, how can you prevent owners, even if not angry or disturbed or malicious
individuals from taking them out in public even if they have no permit to do so?

Question: If there
are multiple shootings by such deranged individuals, using legally acquired weapons, what is the
solution? Is it to ban all firearm ownership, or at least ownership of such firearms as can be
carried in concealment? Or is it to arm everyone, or large numbers of people, to enable them to
attack such armed individuals? But if you arm large numbers of people, aren’t you making more
certain of more shooting incidents where the stresses of modern life cause such individuals to
crack, and there is a lethal weapon close to hand? And also since you are not about to pay for these
guns to be handed out the public at large, is this policy not discriminatory towards those who
cannot afford, or for some reason choose not to own, guns?

Question: If one posits that to carry
guns at large in public will deter terrorist attacks as at Bombay, are handgun-armed civilians
without training even theoretically a match for highly-trained terrorists who can successfully fight
off hundreds of commandoes for days? How will security systems distinguish between legal arms owners
and armed terrorists? Does this not make it easier for armed criminals and terrorists to penetrate
security screens? Can the threat of being killed by civilian fire deter suicide terrorists who are
prepared to die in the course of their mission?

Question: How do you ensure individuals shooting at
psychopaths or terrorists in a crowded situation do not accidentally kill or injure bystanders? If
such happens, who is to take the blame? What if the alleged psychopath or terrorist happened to be a
person with a legitimate reason for carrying a gun in public and is killed by over-enthusiastic
citizens? Who bears the blame for that?

Question: Since there are already fairly effective
procedures involving security at airports and Underground stations and the like, might the model be
adopted more extensively and be perhaps more effective than arming everyone indiscriminately? Might
trained security personnel in plainclothes be a better option to take out armed maniacs and possibly
terrorists as well?
hash  - re:   |2009-06-04 03:49:33
Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Question: If guns are potentially, at the very least, dangerous instruments, capable of killing
even by accident in the long run, shouldn’t they be kept safely locked away from children and
pets, and unloaded to prevent them from accidentally discharging?


This is a matter for each individual gun owner to decide for him/herself. Many gun owners
have no children or pets. Others have children who are themselves well educated about firearms,
and trained in their use, and able to handle them as responsibly as any adult. A gun owner
might keep most of his safely locked away, but still keep a handgun on his person most or
all times.

One can also get guns with fingerprint recognition so only the authorized users
can fire them. Other technological safeguards can and will be implemented to make the carrying
of loaded weapons safer for all, when there is demand for these from an armed and safety
conscious market.

Ponder this: "If cars are potentially, at the very
least, dangerous instruments, capable of killing even by accident in the long
run, shouldn’t they be kept safely locked away from children and pets, and without any
fuel in them to prevent them from accidentally running someone over?"

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
But then aren’t they less likely to be of any use deterring criminals? While the homeowner is
unlocking and loading his gun, won’t the criminal, whom you claim to have unfettered access
to illegal weaponry, be using the said illegal weapon?


Of course, to be effective against an armed criminal, it is required that you have a loaded
firearm close at hand.

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
How do you prevent the guns themselves from becoming the criminal’s target? How do you, as in
the recent shooting case in Germany showed, prevent a relative or other person with legitimate
access to the gun-owner's house from obtaining one or more of the guns?


Fingerprint recognition in guns is one simple solution to such problems. There are many
others as well.

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Question: Since it’s undeniable that a certain number of public shooting incidents have
happened in recent times using guns that have been perfectly legally acquired, and these have
led to the deaths of a large number of people, at least some of whom were innocent of all
capital crimes, should there be a policy on public carrying of firearms?


Firstly, I'd be interested in some statistics of how many crimes are committed with legal
vs. illegal weapons.

Secondly, your question itself reveals one of the most powerful reasons
against gun control, in the phrases "public shooting incidents" and "have led to
the deaths of a large number of people". This is precisely a scenario that is
very unlikely in an armed society. In an armed society, a lone gunman simply cannot go on
a "public" shooting rampage leading to many deaths. He would only be able to get off
one or two shots, before being taken down by a responsible, armed bystander. He would not be
able to go on a killing spree lasting many minutes or hours, and causing tens or even hundreds
of deaths, until the police finally arrive to offer armed resistance.

The police are
not magicians and cannot appear instantly. There will always be multiple inevitable delays
between the start of an armed criminal action, the reporting of it to the police, the
mobilization of armed forces, and their eventual arrival on the scene. By this time the
criminal could have killed scores of people, or fled the scene, or both. Increasing the
police presence in a city will not help. Armed crime will just relocate itself to areas of
lower armed police presence.


Bill Purkayastha wrote:
What should this policy be? If firearms can be bought and kept at home or in the place of
business, how can you prevent owners, even if not angry or disturbed or malicious individuals
from taking them out in public even if they have no permit to do so?


There should be no laws restricting the possession of firearms. In the US, the constitution
does expressly prohibit Congress from passing any such law. All gun control laws in the US are
clearly and entirely unconstitutional.


Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Question: If there are multiple shootings by such deranged individuals, using legally acquired
weapons, what is the solution? Is it to ban all firearm ownership, or at least ownership of
such firearms as can be carried in concealment? Or is it to arm everyone, or large numbers of
people, to enable them to attack such armed individuals? But if you arm large numbers of
people, aren’t you making more certain of more shooting incidents where the stresses of
modern life cause such individuals to crack, and there is a lethal weapon close to hand?


If lots of people have cars, aren't you making more certain of people running over innocent
people where the stresses of modern life cause such individuals to crack, and there is a lethal
automotive close to hand?

That's just not how people are.

If it was, all arguments
and fights among armed soldiers (and there are plenty of these) would result in a fatal
shootout. But this doesn't actually happen. Soldiers will happily bash each other senseless
over trifles, but in the overwhelming majority of cases, will not use the loaded gun strapped
to their backs in such brawls.

Also, as a recent and possibly fatal attack on an Indian
student in Australia highlights, practically anything can be a lethal weapon. The student
in question was attacked with a screwdriver, and is in critical condition at the Royal
Melbourne Hospital. Had he been armed, it would have been his attackers who'd be in hospital
right now.

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
And also since you are not about to pay for these guns to be handed out the public at large, is
this policy not discriminatory towards those who cannot afford, or for some reason choose not
to own, guns?


And since you are not about to pay for cars to be handed out the public at large, is this
policy not discriminatory towards those who cannot afford, or for some reason choose not to
own, cars?

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Question: If one posits that to carry guns at large in public will deter terrorist attacks as
at Bombay, are handgun-armed civilians without training even theoretically a match for
highly-trained terrorists who can successfully fight off hundreds of commandoes for days?


Who said handgun-armed civilians would be without training? This is your own straw
man.

Of course anybody with any shred of responsibility who invested in a firearm would also
invest in the best training he could afford.


Bill Purkayastha wrote:
How will security systems distinguish between legal arms owners and armed terrorists?



They do not need to, in an armed society. Because the people have the ability to protect
themselves.

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Does this not make it easier for armed criminals and terrorists to penetrate security screens?


No amount of "security screens" have helped prevent terrorist attacks so far. Nor
will they in the future.

Because any security system can be circumvented.

More
importantly, all that these so-called "security systems" achieve, at huge expense to
the taxpayer, is to create certified "disarmed civilian" zones for the benefit
of criminals and terrorists. Such zones include schools and aircraft. Is it any wonder
these are also some of the favorite targets of terrorists and armed criminals?

These are
"anti-security" systems, and they make us all much less safe.


Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Can the threat of being killed by civilian fire deter suicide terrorists who are prepared to
die in the course of their mission?


That is really not the point. The point is that civilian fire can STOP suicide terrorists
who are prepared to die in the course of their mission. 

And that is what we want - to STOP
that maniac before he kills hundreds of people.

And once the statistical odds become more
favorable for the citizens thanks to widespread civilian arms possession, the terrorist
will also know that he will at most be able to shoot down a couple of people before being
shot down himself. Even suicide terrorists want to go out with a bang, killing as many as they
can. If their statistical odds are that they'll be able to get only a handful of victims before
being taken out, suddenly it doesn't really seem worth it any more.

More importantly,
an armed citizenry can put an end to many horrifying atrocities, often even more damaging
than outright killing, that armed criminals commit.

Armed criminals can rape, torture,
dismember etc. in the absence of armed resistance, and do all this at a leisurely pace as long
as the cops don't show, or as long as they can maintain a standoff with the cops.
This happened in Bombay, where hundreds were raped and tortured and disemboweled (on a
mind-boggling scale which the mainstream media did not report) before armed resistance finally
arrived on the scene, and even after that.

Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Question: How do you ensure individuals shooting at psychopaths or terrorists in a crowded
situation do not accidentally kill or injure bystanders? If such happens, who is to take the
blame? What if the alleged psychopath or terrorist happened to be a person with a legitimate
reason for carrying a gun in public and is killed by over-enthusiastic citizens? Who bears
the blame for that?


Simply by holding people accountable for their actions. If you shoot somebody by accident,
you will be held accountable as per the law. Knowing this, responsible civilians will never
draw their guns in anger or fire them in haste.


Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Question: Since there are already fairly effective procedures involving security at airports
and Underground stations and the like, might the model be adopted more extensively and be
perhaps more effective than arming everyone indiscriminately?


As I pointed out above, these are "anti-security" procedures and make us all more
unsafe. Schools, underground stations and aircraft are some of the most favored attack points
for armed criminals, as they are assured a 100% disarmed victim pool in these areas, thanks to
the "anti-security" measures, which they themselves can easily circumvent.


Bill Purkayastha wrote:
Might trained security personnel in plainclothes be a better option to take out armed maniacs
and possibly terrorists as well?


No, because it is impossible to provide enough armed cops, plainclothes or otherwise, to
protect each and every civilian, everywhere.

But it IS possible for each and every civilian
to protect his own life, and those of family and nearby bystanders, by carrying a firearm and
knowing how to use it.

Your question above also again sneaks in the concept
of "trained" security personnel vs. "untrained" civilians. You will have
an easier time understanding why an armed society is a polite society when you realize that
each trained, armed civilian IS a trained, armed security person.

Also, nothing makes
"security personnel" magically any less fallible than the ordinary civilian, in terms
of shooting innocents by mistake, in terms of cracking under the stresses of modern life,
and in terms of not being criminal or terrorists themselves.
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